Hello my friends, and welcome back to not another Mindset show. I’m your host, Dr. Kasey Jo. My goal with this podcast is to take the science of mindset and behavior change and distill it down into actionable takeaways for you. Together we’re gonna unpack research around motivations, self-sabotage, willpower, and so much more, and we’re going to take all of that and translate it into strategies you can immediately apply to your health fitness.

Relationships, business, marketing clients, all of the things. But just to be clear, it’s not all serious and Sy around here. We’re gonna have a ton of fun too, and I’m so excited to share all of this with you. All right, let’s go ahead and get into the episode. Welcome back to not another mindset show. I did a podcast episode, uh, a handful of episodes ago.

Yeah, it was about red flags and green flags when it comes to mindset. And after posting that episode, I got some feedback from you from, I think it was like. Two or three of you saying that you really enjoyed that episode and would love to hear more about how mindset applies to other relationships in your life, and how to essentially determine if someone has a growth mindset.

So two of the biggest areas that come up for me and Ares also just very relevant to my own life, are one dating and two hiring. So this is for anyone listening that is either. Single and dating, or maybe you have friends that you want to support who are single and dating, or you just kinda want to hear about it because ultimately the things that I’m talking about are.

Some general mindset parameters, we’ll call it for bringing anyone into your life. And so then we’re also going to do the discussion around hiring people and how to determine if someone might be a good fit for your team based on their mindset. Because when we’re talking about growth mindset, we’re talking about people who are.

Really willing to embrace challenges and take risks and enlist themselves in new experiences and be willing to learn and grow and develop. And these are really, really great qualities. Number one, but great qualities because that makes a good partner. It makes a, a good staff member. It makes very good person that you want to have in your life for a myriad of reasons.

And so we’re gonna get into that. Um, when, when I, as soon as I tell someone that my background is in psychology, the first question is almost always, almost always, are you analyzing me right now? And my answer is always, truthfully. No, I’m not sitting here analyzing every single person that I come into contact with from a psychological perspective.

However, if I’m on a date with you or if I’m considering hiring you, I. You bet your ass. I’m paying attention to how you respond to things, how you speak about things, how you describe things, how you answer certain questions is actually very interesting to be in my position with so much background and experience in psychology and mindset and behavior change.

Because I almost see, this sounds so funny, but it’s the truth. I almost see dating as often like a social experiment, and I just find. Human so interesting in general. So I will say, you know, if you’re out there and you are single like me, which I’ve also I think mentioned on the podcast that I was in a relationship, but it was, it was a short relationship.

It is, it is no longer. I’m fine. Everyone’s fine. Everything is fine. It just was not the best fit for, for us. So with that said. This isn’t like a situation for me when I am speaking to people or even like going on dates with people or seeking to hire someone. It’s not a situation of like, I can’t turn it off, like this is always on and I’m just like constantly in this like mindset researcher mode, but it’s more so that I’m using my knowledge to my advantage and I want to impart that wisdom and that knowledge so that you can also take advantage of this stuff.

So. When it comes to dating like someone you would potentially marry and spend the rest of your life with, obviously that’s a really significant decision. Probably one of the biggest decisions you’ll ever make in your life is this person is someone who is going to make an impact on your every day.

You’re everything. And same thing kind of goes with the relationships that you develop with your staff members or people that you work with, and. With that, you’re kind of like you’re entering into a relationship of sorts too. When you hire someone, you’re going to be working with this person on solving problems, coming up with ideas, working through difficult times together.

So it’s pretty imperative, and obviously I’m biased in saying this, but I think it’s pretty imperative and crucial, rather that that person has a growth mindset. So with that said, getting into a handful of different things here. The first part I want to start with is openness to feedback and learning.

I’ll kind of go dating and then I’ll go hiring and it’s so much of this is the same. And I don’t want you to think either that I’m like going on dates and like evaluating people and interviewing them as if I was going to hire them, but to some degree it’s, it’s kind of all of the same thing. And I, I hope that you, you see it from that angle.

And I’m not just like going into the dating world with this like super analytical academic frame. But it’s hard for me to not, again, use this knowledge. So in dating, I would really pay attention to any enthusiasm that this person has when they talk about learning, learning new things, a new skill, like developing some part about themselves.

You could really get some. Some good information here. If you have an opportunity to hear them talk about something challenging that they’re working through or that they’re currently working through, what do they get excited about when it comes to that challenge? Or what’s their overall perspective on it?

That those are questions you can ask. Um, and that’s like a conversation I have a lot with my girlfriends about. Oh, like what question should I ask on this date? Or how do I get better? Get to know this person? And honestly, a lot of it to me is just about just listening and see where they take things because we don’t also want to like prompt things.

’cause then you get into a situation where you are just prompting the answers that you’re looking for. So instead, if they’re talking about something challenging or something that’s going on in their life or something that they’ve. They’ve gone through asking them a question of like, what part of that was exciting to you that might catch them off guard?

Because they were like, what do you mean exciting? Like I just told you about this really difficult thing, but the reality is. If they can come back and go, oh, well I got this out of it, or I learned this from it, or, my overall perspective was, even though it was really difficult, it allowed me to do X, Y, Z or become X, Y, Z type of person.

So someone with a growth mindset is going to show curiosity and willingness to evolve even in difficult situations. And also you can get this from just like casual conversations too. You just have to learn how to pay attention to it. How they handle advice or feedback is another really good one.

However, again, like this is not a situation where I would say go just give people unsolicited advice and see how they take it, because most people aren’t just going to take unsolicited advice that well anyway, but instead. Pay attention. Just pay attention to, if they’ve talked about, again, whether it’s a challenge or like something going on with them and you could prompt them with like, oh, is there anyone in your life that’s like given you some feedback on this or given you some advice on this?

Do you have anyone that you can like go to? And maybe they’ll come back and say, yeah, like my boss or my best friend, like told me these things, but. I don’t really know if that’s, if that’s correct or if that’s the best way to go to go about it. And maybe they just kind of like double down on the things that they’re already doing.

That would be pretty indicative of more of a fixed mindset way of seeing things instead of, oh yeah, like my boss gave me this feedback and I’m gonna try to incorporate that and see how it goes. I’m not really sure about it yet, but like I’m so open to hearing what someone else who has done this already has to say about my current situation.

That would be more of a growth mindset type of response. So this kind of stuff though yeah, can be a little bit harder to pick up on in the early stages of dating. Especially we’re talking like dates one through like five even. ’cause everyone’s like on their best behavior. Right? But that’s where again, I think just kind of paying attention to how they respond to things can be really helpful.

It’s also easy to ask about. Any hobbies or skills that they are currently working on? Things that they are learning in the moment? Those are pretty casual questions that you can ask. You know, if someone comes back and is like, yeah, nothing comes to mind. It’s like, hmm, why is that? Like obviously I would not go to that person and be like, okay, do not like to learn new things.

Do you not like to have hobbies? Um, but instead just. Pay attention and you know, took away that information into your little file cabinet that is your brain. Um, but if you have someone who says, yeah, like I’m actually, this is funny ’cause I was literally just playing the piano before I got on. In fact, I was procrastinating starting this podcast recording because I was playing the piano.

So that is something that I am trying to get better at and I find a lot of. Enjoyment. And even if it’s challenging and honestly part of the enjoyment comes from it being challenging. So like a response like that, like I just said, is something that I would be looking for in someone else. So when it comes to hiring, I do think like, especially if you’re doing like an interview type of process, which I assume most people are doing, you can be a little bit more direct with questions.

Like that’s kind of the purpose of the interview is to ask a question and then like. Vet their responses. So a question like, can you describe a time when you received feedback at work or at home that was difficult to hear? And what was that experience like for you? Again, I don’t love a, how did you respond to this challenge because.

Obviously that person is gonna come back and be like, well, I responded very positively and I made note of the feedback and I implemented it. Like it’s a very obvious, the answer that you’re looking for. So instead asking them to describe like a, a difficult time challenge at home, at work and just what was that experience like for you?

A little bit more like open-ended and not phishing for a specific response or just generally what’s something that you’re currently learning? That’s something that you can put into a dating capacity too, obviously, but so good for when you’re looking to hire someone because if they are going out there and trying to learn things on their own volition and it’s not mandated by a boss or a C external circumstance, it’s a really good sign that they have a desire for learning and willingness to evolve on their own.

Okay. The next one I have here is response to obstacles and setbacks. So when it comes to dating. And if this is like early on, little obstacles and setbacks can arise. You know, things like not being able to coordinate schedules, maybe having some sort of like mismatch when it comes to food preferences.

Small things that aren’t really like a huge deal, but I. Can give you some insight into their mindset. So are they finding creative solutions to problems? Are they open to understanding and hearing you out? Are they able to laugh at themselves when they make small errors and mistakes? All of that is very indicative of a growth mindset versus maybe having like some pushback or like sometimes when it can feel like this person is trying to like, take control.

That’s actually a, a fixed mindset way of being in that. My way is the best way to do things, and I’m like not interested in hearing your feedback. And this can get kind of like muddy now that I’m saying all of this out loud too. Especially if you’re. A, if you’re a female, if you’re in a position where you were looking for like the, that sort of polarity between like a masculine and feminine type of dynamic.

And I’m aware that that doesn’t need to be just in like a heterosexual type of couple either. So if you’re looking for me, like for instance, for me, I’m looking for someone who showcases more of the masculine qualities in that they. Are taking the lead, making decisions, making me feel like, oh, this person’s got me, they’ve got us.

So why I say this can kind of like get a little bit muddy is because in some of these situations I don’t want you to think like, oh, because this guy planned the date and didn’t ask me for a ton of my like opinions or suggestions or advice for like what to do that that, oh, does that mean they have a fixed mindset?

No, not necessarily. So just like, kind of like a between the lines type of thing. I mean, so much of this is like. Between the lines. So early on in dating, it can be good and I think fun. Maybe not fun for everybody, but I think it’s fun to ask about past relationships and what they’ve learned from those past relationships.

So obviously all of the past relationships have come to an end, right? That’s why this person is single. That’s why you are single. A hundred percent of previous relationships have not worked out. So, and you’ve heard before, like pay attention to what that person. Says about their, their ex and how they portray their ex, and that that means something, but also like.

Pay attention to how they talk about the relationship itself and whether or not they learned something from that relationship. So not even just like bashing the character of their ex relationship, their ex partner, but actually how they talk about the experience itself. Maybe. Maybe you wouldn’t even have to prompt, like, what did you learn from your last relationship If they just immediately go there, that’s a very good sign that there’s a growth mindset type of thinking in the works there and.

The same thing goes for outside of like relationship context. When you’re speaking to someone that you are dating, you’re going on dates with and asking them about work. Like how often does something go wrong at work or what’s the biggest obstacle for you right now? Especially if you were like getting into learning more about like what they do for a living and it’s like, oh wow.

Like that. That sounds like it could be a lot of responsibility. How often do things go awry and what does that look like for you? Like, just like it’s a casual question, casual follow up question. Obviously, a lot of these questions like out of context could feel very like interviewy, but my goal for you would be that you’re thinking about these things and like, oh, this person’s talking about their work, or they’re talking about something that they’re going through, and the follow-up questions is where you could learn a little bit more about their mindset.

So hiring, when it comes to obstacles and setbacks, you really do want to be evaluating for this. I think it’s, it’s so extremely important because at work things aren’t always going to be easy. They’re not always going to go to plan. So you’re looking for someone who kind of sees problems as puzzles and not something to take.

Extremely personally, and same things go for setbacks. Like things are going to happen. Things are not always going to go correctly, but how you handle. When that stuff happens is what matters most. So you could ask them to maybe tell a story about a recent setback or obstacle that they’ve encountered, or maybe even honestly, what I would do instead is.

Describe a story or an obstacle that your team or maybe you yourself in the business have recently gone through, like, Hey, this is something that happened to us last month and that turned into this and this other thing, and it just like was not a great situation. Ask them to reflect on that incident and just say, tell me what comes up for you when I share that whole story.

So again, we’re not necessarily prompting a tell me when something was difficult and you were able to work through it, but instead like, Hey, this was a real situation that happened in the business. And also kind of shows them that you are aware that things are going to happen and things aren’t always gonna go to plan.

So it kinda gives them that sense of like safety, that you’re not looking for perfection, but then just ask them to. Openly reflect on the incident, on the situation rather than like, how would you handle that situation? Just like, yeah, like what do you think about that? What comes up for you when I share that story?

And that can kind of like give you some more insight into their mindset. Because if they reflect on that story and they go, oh my God, that would be so hard. That’s so difficult. Like I don’t, it’s amazing you guys got through it. All of these things like sure fine. That’s a decent like reflective type of.

Response, but someone with their growth mindset might go, huh, that’s interesting. And that sounds like it was a really tough situation for everybody involved. And then maybe they ask some more questions like, what came from that? What did, what did you guys, what as a team, how did you learn from that? Or how are you gonna make sure that doesn’t happen again?

So they’re almost asking you questions that are growth mindset oriented questions, and that would be a really good sign. Okay. The next part here I have is attitude about effort and hard work. So people with a growth mindset appreciate the importance of effort and hard work. Whereas if you have more of a fixed mindset, you’re more likely to see lots of effort being required in a situation as synonymous to not being like meant for it or not good enough at it.

So. Essentially, people who have more of a fixed mindset in a certain area are going to assume that if a lot of effort is required for them and it feels really, really hard for them, that they’re just not meant for it. It’s, they’re not gonna be good at it. They’re never going to be good at it. Whereas someone with a.

Growth mindset understands that effort is required and kind of leans into the effort and the challenge and like looks forward to learning in the moment because that means that they’re going to be better over time. So when it comes to dating, notice how they talk about effort in a relationship and.

Outside in the world, just generally, and obviously notice the effort that they are or are not putting in to the, the early stages of you dating or maybe you’re, you know, even months down the line at this point. Effort is so important because it’s not only showcasing that they care about you obviously, and that they’re, they’re interested in pursuing you or what have you.

It means that. Uh, they are willing to put effort forth because they know that there’s something that’s going to come for it from it, and they don’t see that effort putting. If I have to put too much effort into this relationship, that means that we’re not meant to be, you know, like this isn’t, this isn’t gonna work.

The reality is like, effort actually just makes things better. It doesn’t mean that it’s not worth it. So. With convos about, you know, past relationships, you can ask about the effort that was put in or maybe not put in in order to repair that relationship before it ended. So if you’re having that, like, Hey, let’s discuss past relationships and what, what, what, what went down there, um, kind of previous.

How I was talking about this previously, you could insert a question of, oh, what did you guys try to do? Like what effort was put in to try to repair that situation before you decided to call it, you know? And in some situations it might be like, well, I was cheated on 17 times, so didn’t really wanna put effort in anymore.

And like that’s fair. But in a lot of relationships they end while both those people are still very much in love and just like something’s not working. So. You would hope that those people were putting an effort trying to make it work until they decided like, this is just not a good fit. So would wanna kinda like suss that out a little bit.

And something that could be good to do as well is like if you’re doing something active, like you’re playing games, going to like the arcade. Mini golf, something like that. Are they quick to give up on those things or how do they respond? If you are quick to give up, like if you, this is like me, mini golfing, like I, I don’t have an athletic bone in my body.

If we’re being totally honest, I can snowboard and that is literally it. That’s all I got. Is that a, that’s a fixed mindset statement, isn’t it? But. Anyway, so if I were to be mini golfing with, someone would say, well, I’m date number three with a, with a guy. And I’m just, I give up and I’m like, you know what?

I don’t even wanna do this anymore. I’m so bad at it. You’re so much better than me. Like that would be kind of me expressing somewhat of a fixed mindset. But I’d be curious how he responded if he was, if he responded, was like, okay, yeah, like we can be done. You know, he’s just like succumbing to the fixed mindset.

Or is he coming back to me and saying. Well, what do we need to do to make sure that you’re still like having a good time or it’s like you can have fun and enjoy this without it needing to be competitive? You know? Or just like seeing it from more a big growth mindset lens or. If this man were to say, Hey, but that this is a challenge for you, that should make it even better.

I’d be like, that is a beautiful growth mindset, sir. Um, so that’s something you kind of pay attention to there. When it comes to hiring. Obviously work ethic is important, but you’re not just looking for people who are workaholics, you’re looking for people who are persistent and dedicated. For the sake of growth, learning and development, not just for the sake of, I work hard because I was told to work hard like that external force, and instead I work hard because it’s rewarding to me.

It means more success for myself, more success for the business that I’m really bought into, all of those things. So a fun question that you could ask in the hiring process is what’s more important in achieving success? Talent or effort, and this could also be a fun like dating question. You see all these things, they are kind of like parallel, but what we’re looking for here is people who assume that talent or just like innate ability, something that you’re born with is how you’re successful in a certain area.

That is more of a fixed mindset viewpoint versus. If I put in effort, I find the right resources, I find the right people. There’s no way I won’t be successful regardless of the talent or innate ability that I have. So asking, you know, what’s more important talent or effort can be a good way to determine where this person’s mindset is at.

All right. The next one I have is view of success. On others. So when other people are successful, how is this person responding to that? So people with a more fixed mindset are likely to see the successes, other people not as like inspirational, but instead a beautiful example of what other people are capable of.

But not necessarily themselves. Whereas someone with a growth mindset will see someone else be successful in a given area and think to themselves, wow, if that person was capable of doing that, there’s no reason I can’t do it too. So there’s a big difference there when it comes to mindset. So in dating. I would say watch out for comments made about other people who have been successful.

You know, if someone says that there’s like something, someone in their company or a friend or whatever, again, some of this stuff is just gonna like come up randomly in conversations, and I just want you to be like, oh, pay attention to that. What do they just say? How are they responding to this thing?

Rather than like, it being like a, I’m gonna prompt you with these specific questions to determine where your mindset is at. So if they’re talking about other successful people. In their area of work, in something that they’re working on in their life, whatever. It doesn’t matter where it comes from, but.

Are they saying things like, oh, well, he just kinda like got it handed to him and got it passed from his parents. He has a really rich dad, or he got really lucky comments like that are very fixed mindset oriented versus something like, oh yeah, like there’s this guy who’s doing something similar to me and it’s awesome because they see what he’s doing and it makes me really believe that I can do it too.

Like big, big difference there. But also look at how they talk about friends, mentors, parents, et cetera, and use that as an opportunity to ask more about how they’ve learned from other people, especially other people that they like look up to or have seen success in an area that. They are trying to be successful in ask more questions about like, oh, like what are you learning from them?

Or how are you leaning on other people to try to like get to the next level in your business or whatever. Um, and how they respond to that will be relatively indicative of their mindset. Whether growth or fixed. So someone who says, oh yeah, like, I invest in mentorship and I’m constantly looking to other people to support me because I know that they’ve gotten there, and if I can get some help from them, then there’s no reason I can’t get there too.

Versus someone else saying like, eh, no, I’ll, I’ll figure it out myself. Like. Obviously I’m talking to in like pretty extreme examples on both the the growth and fixed mindset side for all of this. So people can kind of fall in between. So this is where you’re just kind of like trying to gather data over time to build a more clear picture when it comes to hiring.

We wanna seek job candidates who express admiration and use other success as. Motivation to improve themselves. So how can you kind of look for this? There’s some specific questions you could ask for Sure. When it comes to interviewing, like how do you feel when a colleague achieved something notable?

And can you give an example? So an example of where someone else you’ve worked with has been successful. What was that? What did it look like? That sort of thing. And if they can’t come up with anything. That means that they’re just like not paying attention to when other people are being successful and people who are like closely related in their work environment to them.

Or can you describe a time when someone else’s success motivated you to improve or change your approach? And I really like that, like change your approach. Like you were so motivated by someone else’s success that it made you think, huh, maybe I could be doing this a little bit differently so I can see a similar success.

Versus, you know, a more fixed mindset response would be other people’s success doesn’t motivate me. I only motivate myself. You know, again, extreme examples, but that’s what you wanna look out for. All right. The final one I have here is approach to new experiences and risks. So risk taking can obviously take a lot of different forms, but what to pay attention to when it comes to dating and.

Hiring is about just willingness to go outside your comfort zone and willingness to seek out new experiences and try different things, even if it means it doesn’t go the way that you want it to at the beginning. Um, there’s a quote that I use a lot that is the comfort zone is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there.

So although it’s comfortable to stay in the comfort zone, feels good. You are not likely gonna get a lot of growth and development from being there all of the time. And when we’re talking about looking for someone to date, to marry, to spend your life with someone, to add to your team that you’re going to be working with on a consistent basis.

You want someone who wants to get outside their comfort zone because that means that they are willing to get creative and try new things and expand your mind and your ideas and your framework about the world. There’s yeah. We want that. We want that. So in dating, specifically, dating, falling in love, giving your heart to someone that is a risk in it of itself.

So plenty of people. Are out there not even willing to do that. You know, you, you think about all the people who are just interested in casual relationships, casual dating, aren’t really looking for their end game type of person or the people who think they want something serious. But then when it comes down to needing to be vulnerable or opening up or giving their heart to that person, it’s just like a brick wall.

And I actually think that that could be obviously caused by various things past. Traumatic experiences or relationships. There’s parenting, like there’s so many things that come into play here, but there’s a good chance that just a fixed mindset about relationships is a good portion of the reason why that person may not be emotionally available or willing to open up or interested in any kind of serious relationship.

So pay attention to when they tell stories about their lives or. Travel education work. Was there any risk involved in those stories when you notice this or maybe don’t, don’t notice that they’ve ever really taken risk or it seems like you’re, you’re noticing they always kind of like play the the safe route and go that direction.

Ask questions about it. So if they’re telling a, a story about travel or work or education, like directions that they’ve gone in their lives, maybe saying something like, oh wow, that sounds like it was pretty risky. What made you decide to do that? And see where they take that. Because someone with a growth mindset is gonna say, well, risk is, there’s only reward in risk.

Whether it doesn’t go well or it does go well, like I’m either they’re gonna learn something or I’m going to. Be successful or someone with a fixed mindset. I’m not sure you would be asking this question ’cause you’re realizing that they’re not taking a lot of risks. But instead, maybe you could ask them like, what would’ve happened if you took that risk instead?

Or if you have ever thought, if you went a different direction and you decided to take that risk in whatever story that they’re telling you, like how do you think that would’ve changed who you are? Like what your life looks like today. And those comfort zone, potentially fixed mindset type of people would say, I mean, it just wasn’t worth the risk or I, I will never know and I’m okay with that.

Whereas again, yeah, growth mindset, people are more willing to take those risks in the first place. All right. When it comes to hiring, we want people who are willing to get uncomfortable and try different things and bring new perspectives to the team, and have new ideas and not be worried about presenting those ideas to other people.

But at the same time, we obviously don’t want people who are taking irresponsible uncalculated risks, especially like in the business, right? So you can ask about risk evaluation rather than. When did you last take a risk and it worked out in your favor? Again, that’s just like prompting them for the best answer.

Like, oh yeah, I took this risk and it worked out really well for me. That’s, that’s not really what we’re looking for here. Um, so instead, more or less about risk evaluation, like how do you determine when a, something. That might be risky, would likely still be worth it. Something along those lines could give you a better, a better idea of where their mindset is at.

Um, something I’ve asked in interviews before is. A statement, a phrase, quote I guess that I use a lot is discomfort breeds growth. So I say that’s a big part of my brand and a big part of like growth versus fixed mindset. So when I say discomfort breeds growth, what comes up for you? What comes to mind?

Again, just like an open-ended question. Just like reflect back to me and what you think of that. Because that will also, someone, honestly, someone with a fixed mindset. Might not even fully be able to grasp that, that phrase, that statement. Here’s the thing though, I don’t know how often I’m ever interviewing anyone who doesn’t have at least a little bit of a growth mindset in like the area of work and things like that, because that’s what my entire brand is about.

But for those of you who don’t have, um, mindset being like the framework of your entire everything, your entire being, um, questions like this may actually stump someone, like discomfort breeds growth. Like what does that even really mean? However, someone with a growth mindset is very. Familiar with this that like, oh yeah, when I’m uncomfortable, when things are challenging, when things aren’t going right for me, I still know that there’s something I’m gonna get out of this.

If anything, I’m just gonna know that I shouldn’t do that thing in order to get to where I want to go ’cause it’s not working. So yeah, those are some things to think about there. But okay. I’m gonna end there. There are so many more things I could say when it comes to growth versus fixed mindset evaluation.

Um, if you do want to learn a little bit more that growth mindset or mindset, red flags, green flags episode could be a good one. I did talk about some stuff in this episode that is. Similar to that one, but that one was just a little bit more general. I think I talked a bit about parenting. It’s like dating, hiring, parenting, something like that.

So this episode was just a little bit more in depth and more specific when it comes to dating and hiring specifically, and I hope you enjoyed it. And I really appreciate you and your time and attention every week. Y’all are the best, and I’ll see you next time. And that’s a wrap for today’s episode of Not Another Mindset show.

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