Do a little bit of a reality check with yourself. That’s my next one that I have listed here. Where or who do these feelings actually stem from? I know we wanna say, well, it stems from the client. Like the client is experiencing this stuff and they’re telling me that they’re frustrated, or they’re telling me that they’re going through this really difficult thing, so then I feel it because they’re feeling it.

But the reality is like, what? But why? But why are you feeling it so heavily and why are you carrying it through the day? Hello my friends, and welcome back to not another Mindset show. I’m your host, Dr. Kasey Jo. My goal with this podcast is to take the science of mindset and behavior change and distill it down into actionable takeaways for you.

Together we’re gonna unpack research around motivations, self-sabotage, willpower, and so much more, and we’re going to take all of that and translate it into strategies you can immediately apply. To your health, fitness, relationships, business, marketing clients, all of the things. But just to be clear, it’s not all serious and sciencey around here.

We’re gonna have a ton of fun too, and I’m so excited to share all of this with you. All right, let’s go ahead and get into the episode. Hello my friends. Welcome back to not another mindset show. Today we’re talking about a topic that I think you. We really, really need. And if you click play on this episode, it probably is because you really need it.

And this is coming from discussions that I’ve had with so many coaches over the year. And truly, my heart just goes out to all of you because you’re feeling burnt out. Mainly because you care so much. You’re carrying around the emotions and the burdens of all of your clients, and so many of you out there working with so many people at the same time who are going through life transformations and we can’t forget that.

Sure. We’re talking about nutrition and fitness, but if you’re a good coach. It’s not just nutrition and fitness. There’s so many aspects to our clients’ lives that play a role in their nutrition and fitness behaviors, and therefore you’re gonna hear about them as a coach. Unless you’re one of those coaches who is just, you know, telling your clients, oh, lunch, increase your carbs by 10 grams and see you next week.

Like, but I would assume if you’re listening to this podcast, if you consume any of my content, that you are not that type of coach. So. When I talk about burnout with coaches, I really like to have this conversation about whether or not it’s actually burnout or something called compassion fatigue. And really that’s going to be the main focus of this episode is compassion fatigue, because at literally anytime, unless, okay, I’m not gonna speak in absolutes here, but.

Most of the time, 97% of the time, when I’m talking to coaches who feel burnt out, it’s because they’re actually just experiencing compassion fatigue, and we’re gonna get into what that means. And the other 3%, you know, it may be like 10% of coaches that I speak to, it’s burnout just because they are.

Overwhelmed with tasks inside their business. Uh, if for instance, inside the Growth Collective, which is my one-on-one business mentorship container, I’m often working with coaches who are trying to move into more of the CEO role while also. Having like a roster of 50 clients, but then they’re managing other coaches on their team and admin and social media and emails and billing and all of this stuff.

Like, yeah, no shit. You feel burnt out. You are literally doing absolutely everything. So we need to fix that. Um, but that’s not really the, the topic of conversation today. We’re not gonna talk about like time management and outsourcing. That could be a different episode if that’s something you guys are interested in, but instead talking about.

Burnout from a compassion fatigue perspective. And if you’re listening to this and you’re like, ah, I don’t know if it’s a compassion fatigue thing, number one, let me talk about what that actually is. But chances are, it’s a burnout feeling because of this. And you know, burnout itself is typically due to.

Poor, a poor work to recovery ratio. You are working too much and not getting enough time to recover from said work. You are working long hours, you have too many commitments, conflict, whatever. And I do think that’s where, when I was talking about. Some of the coaches that I work with in my business mentorship program, they are in that space because they’re working 12 to 14 hours a day because they’re doing absolutely everything while also still coaching inside the business.

So yeah, that’s more of like a time management thing and an outsourcing thing. And although compassion fatigue again, which we will talk about, can contribute. To burnout. They are different things, and burnout is something that really does accrue over time. So over time, if your work to recovery ratio is off, then you’re more going to start to feel burnt out, that you just don’t have the capacity to do more.

Whereas compassion fatigue is really the cost of caring. It’s taking in. Caring for other people’s emotions and pain and distress. Uh, it’s often described as. Secondary traumatic stress or vicarious traumatization or even emotional contagion, which is honestly my favorite one. And this can, this can form rapidly.

You could in the moment start to feel this. It doesn’t necessarily have to accrue over time, like something like burnout would. So how do we determine if you are suffering from compassion fatigue specifically? I have some questions written down here that I want you to really think about. Do you feel like your client relationships might be getting a little bit too close, like the relationships you have with your clients, you’re like, wow, this is, we are becoming like best friends and becoming a mother.

I’m becoming so much more to this person because they’re sharing. Everything that’s going on in their lives, or when a client is going through a rough time, do you really feel their pain? You read that check-in form and immediately feel it in yourself. Do you notice your client’s emotions rubbing off on you so you have a really hard time kind of shaking what your clients are going through, how that’s showing up for you.

And actually, again, shaking it and moving on, and kind of going back to who you are outside of what your clients are experiencing. When a client shares heavy feelings with you, is it hard for you to shake? So they’re sharing something, whether it they’re up frustrated with their progress or something’s going on at home, and it just sticks with you the rest of the day.

Do you consider yourself an empath? And this is so many coaches. I mean, hello. Hi. We are in a helping profession. So what would make sense that many of you are very empathetic people, so maybe this shows up in other areas of your life too, where if you have friends or family members or other people on your team that are going through something and you just feel so strongly for them and what they are feeling.

There’s a good chance that’s also showing up inside your coaching, and I really, really, really want you guys to know that none of this is necessarily bad. In fact, it’s not bad at all. I’m not sitting here telling you that it’s bad, that you’re empathetic. However, it does put you at a risk for experiencing compassionate fatigue.

So things to be aware of or just recognize if this is happening to you. So what I just discussed was essentially like. How are you taking home the feelings that your clients are having or what does that feel like for you now, kind of considering what actions might be? Kind of parallel to those feelings, dreading client check-ins from a particular client due to the emotional heaviness.

So you know that you’re going into this client check-in. Like just preparing yourself to feel everything that they’re feeling and know that like, okay, this person always has a lot of like heavy emotions to share. You kind of have to like gear yourself up for that or you end up dreading it ’cause you’re like, uh, I just.

I have to go in there. I have to open the door and walk in and it’s gonna be hard. So you’re dreading it. You feel resentment to particular clients that are the most emotional. So the ones that are sharing more of those emotions with you, you maybe start to feel a little resentment, like, why are you giving me all of this?

Why are you making me feel this way? Even though if logically, you know. This person isn’t making me feel this way. I just feel this way because they’re feeling this way. You could still start to build some resentment around that. With client check-ins, you feel a little bit more beat up as you continue to go through your, your roster of check-ins for the day, your list of check-ins for the day.

So with every single one, you’re just kind of feeling yourself getting more and more drained and you get to the end of the day, maybe you had 10 to 12 client check-ins that day and you just have nothing left to give or just in general feeling like. Their problems or feelings are my problems or feelings, and that’s how it needs to be as a coach.

And if that’s a place that you’re in, then yeah, compassion fatigue could be something that you’re struggling with. And it may be compassion fatigue over burnout. And there are some visible signs of this too, if you are. Overall work efficiency is declining. You’re noticing that it’s taking you longer to get through check-ins or you are really taking your time going from check-in to check-in, taking longer breaks than normal, maybe starting to feel a little bit more callous to your clients or quicker to get RI or frustrated like your fuse is just getting shorter.

You are expressing negative opinions about your coaching role to other people. So when you’re having conversations with your friends at dinner and you’re noticing that like there’s more negative things that you have to say lightly, or maybe you’re even daydreaming about other job opportunities that might be out there because of this heaviness that weighs on you and your client, check-ins are starting to feel a little bit more like checklist items than they are actually connecting with your clients.

We do these things, these visible signs start to show up because you are trying to distance yourself from what you’re experiencing. So daydreaming about other jobs, seeing check-ins as a checklist item, speaking about your role negatively, like you’re trying to distance yourself in a way, and some less visible signs that might be showing up for you are a reduced sense of accomplishment, so you’re just not feeling as accomplished in your work anymore.

You might get happy when a client cancels a call or doesn’t check in because it means like, okay, great. I don’t have to take that person on today. You avoid extra interaction with clients. This is a big one because if it’s the interaction that is affecting you and you’re noticing yourself avoiding it, that’s something to pay attention to.

Any type of high emotion client check-in maybe sets the tone for your day. So you go through this like heavily emotional check-in with a client and now your entire day is set by that check-in and by that experience overall you might just be. Feeling less effective as a coach or having unhealthy attachments to clients, anxiety when clients are getting emotional.

Okay. At this point I’ve shared, I’ve shared so much stuff, you might be listening and going like, yeah, okay. That is me, Casey, moving along, like what do we do with all of this? And the first thing I wanna do with you is to, no one’s surprise. A little bit of a mindset check if. You felt like, yes, that sounds like me.

Yes, that’s what I’m doing. Those are my visible signs. That’s those are the actions I’ve been taking. Those feelings that you’re describing do sound a lot like me. I don’t want you to assume that you’re doomed. That you’re not cut out for coaching, that you are experiencing this disease of compassion fatigue and you’re screwed.

That my friend would be a very much a fixed mindset approach to be taking here. And instead, I want you to understand that any level of compassion fatigue is due to the fact that you are compassionate. And we don’t want to be out here saying that having compassion is a bad thing. You experiencing fatigue from compassion in some regard because you’re doing something right.

You have a whole host of people who are feeling comfortable around you and they wanna share with you and they wanna tell you how they’re feeling. There are so many coaches out there, and you probably might even have some of these clients amidst all of these other clients that. Don’t share freaking anything with you.

And wouldn’t you rather them share a lot than share Nothing. They’re just going through their client check-in, form ’em and leaving everything blank or putting like na next to all of the responses. So like what’s the total opposite? You not having any compassion and just being able to let everything roll off and nothing affect you.

I am not sure you would even be in a coaching position if that was you. And to be really honest, if that’s who you are, if that’s who you were striving to be, that is not what makes a good coach either. So instead it becomes how do we just better manage the compassion fatigue? How do we. Get to a point where we can have emotional conversations with their clients and feel for them without it, for lack of a better phrase, ruining the entire day.

So research in the area on compassion fatigue is usually with roles like nurses, doctors, hospice care workers, people who work at cancer facilities, mental health workers. Yeah, lots of. Really heavy roles, right? So with that research, not every doctor, nurse or therapist experiences compassion fatigue to the degree that it, it significantly impacts them.

So I also, this is like mindset check for you too. Don’t want you to think, well, if I’m experiencing that, then that is a bad thing and I need to fix it. I need to get rid of it, or it’s absolutely impacting everything and I need to do something about it. To some degree, you can experience compassion fatigue, and it is okay.

It’s okay if it’s there. It’s to what degree are you actually experiencing it is the real question. If it is really getting in the way of your work performance, of your enjoyment and your, on your in your daily life because of this. So. From the research on compassion fatigue, we do know that there are some risk factors for being more affected by compassion fatigue compared to other people, and that might be an.

External locus of control. This is the first one, which essentially just means that you don’t see things in your control. It’s more or less something outside of me is controlling situations in my life is the deciding factor. It could be anything between like fate or your boss or anything in between. And so if you believe that you don’t actually have control of things in your life.

You are more at risk for being affected by compassion fatigue, which makes sense, right? Because then it becomes, well, this person is feeling this way and experiencing this thing. So the only option here is for me to also experience that, and I have no control over my experience. It’s only based on their experience.

So external versus internal. If you have low optimism, less emotional stability or traumatic life events, you are also at risk for being more affected by compassion fatigue. And again, i I, I know I’ve said this on the podcast numerous times before, but I’m discussing research, but just because. This is what research is.

Showcasing doesn’t mean that that’s the case for everyone. That doesn’t mean if you’ve experienced a traumatic life event, you are destined and doomed to experience compassion fatigue in a way that it really affects you. That’s not necessarily the case, but these are things we can pay attention to. If you.

Low optimism, less emotional stability, traumatic life events like those are, again, speaking of control, all things that you can actually control. No, you can’t control the fact that you had a traumatic life event, but you can go to therapy and you can work through that traumatic life event and see how that changes things for you, which then may change things with how you interact with other people, your clients, and just in your life in general.

And the last risk risk factor is high empathy, which I know we kind of already discussed this a little bit. So if you have high empathy, you’re more likely to be affected by compassion fatigue. So being empathetic is a risk. Yeah. Like of, of course it is. Of course it is. If you are an empathetic person, you see yourself as an empath and other people’s emotions affect you, then of course compassion fatigue is more likely to be.

Something that you experience, but no empathy, no compassion fatigue, sure, but also no empathy. Probably also means no job for you if you are a coach. You would really be hard pressed to be a good coach if you are not an empathetic person. So reduction of empathy is not the goal, but instead, better management.

Of how we feel other people’s emotions. And I think there can be like an underlying fixed mindset conversation here where if you assign the label and the identity to yourself as an empath, as someone who is very empathetic and feels what other people are feeling at a deep level that. You’re kind of just stuck there, that that’s that you just have to be heavily affected by the emotions and heaviness that your clients are bringing you.

And that is a fixed mindset perspective. And instead, you could believe yourself to be empathetic and see yourself as someone who feels others’ emotions deeply. And also not let it affect you on a global scale. Not quote unquote, take it home with you or. Let that sit in the back of your mind for the rest of the day.

There is a world that exists where you can be highly empathetic and also not let it affect you to the degree that it is then having negative downstream effects on your work, on your relationships, on your life. And we could say that the same thing goes for any emotion. We are emotional beings. And we can’t necessarily turn off emotions, but we can learn to manage them better.

And I don’t want any of you to be out there just trying to turn off your empathy. Like don’t just become cold callous beings because it’s gonna save you from compassion fatigue. Because again, that’s not going to help you as a coach either, and it’s not gonna help you in your life. So a reframe here too is that every job has, it has its risks.

How does this risk stand up to the risks that you might take on at any other job? And the reframe here is that, wouldn’t you rather, and maybe you wouldn’t, and this is a conversation you need to have yourself have with yourself, rather, wouldn’t you rather experience some form of compassion fatigue and.

Feeling the emotions and the heaviness that your clients bring to you, rather than being in another job that has other risks of, I don’t know, boredom. It’s a, a role that you’re not passionate about. For those of you who are business owners, you’re working for someone else instead of for yourself. It’s a matter of, I guess we’re talking gratitude here, my friends.

How can we be in some way grateful that we have all of these clients who feel deeply and share those feelings with us and tell us what’s going on in their minds and what they’re struggling with. How can we be grateful for that and that that is sure what we quote unquote have to take on compared to what you may have to take on if you were in any other job.

So that’s definitely something to think about when we talk about prevention of compassion fatigue and what the research points to is a handful of things that make a lot of sense, and those are spending time outdoors. Mindfulness, positive perception of work environment, which is actually kind of what I was just talking about.

Emotional self-awareness. Also sort of what we’ve been talking about here, and self-compassion. So also just giving yourself some compassion for the fact that you are doing emotionally laden work. So I do have a specific strategy from researchers who work in this area and they quote, mindful self-compassion is a specific strategy that you can use to combat compassion fatigue.

So what the researchers are saying here is that when we use mindful self-compassion. It sees us taking both of these ideas, both mindfulness and self-compassion and combining them. So we’re using the sense of awareness and presence developed with mindfulness and applying it to support our emotional development for self-compassion.

So the goal here is self-acceptance without rumination or over identification. So basically. How can we feel what our clients are feeling and feel for them without allowing that experience to determine the narrative and decide our thought processes? So mindful self-compassion. What can this look like?

You’re going through a client check-in and you’re noticing like, oh, oh my gosh, this is a lot. And now I’m feeling a lot. They’re feeling a lot. We’re all feeling a lot. This is, this is big, deep breaths. This is feeling like a lot. What can you do? Take a step back. Recognize, be mindful of the feelings that you are feeling because your clients are feeling that because of what they shared with you.

Recognize that this is you having an experience because you care, because you are a caring coach, and send yourself some of that care too, in that moment and think, okay, the reason that I’m. Having these feelings, and this is feeling like a lot, is because this person’s struggling. This person’s really experiencing something difficult, and I want to take that on, but that’s not going to help the situation.

Instead, I’m gonna give myself some ca self-compassion for feeling this way because it makes sense that I feel this way. ’cause I really care about my clients and I care about this person. However, allowing myself to sit with this and be consumed by it and allow it to dictate how. I go about my day and what I’m thinking next is not going to serve this person.

And ultimately my goal is to serve this person so I know easier said than done. And you guys are like, okay, can we get the script for that? What do we, what do I do? But really it’s just like, how can you take a pause and assess the situation? Be mindful of the situation. Send yourself some love, and then make the decision to take control of the situation and really what’s going to be the best for you and for the client.

So ultimately what we’re really trying to do here is. Not write off the emotions and experiences of our clients, not take on those things to the degree that they are our own, and then let it run the rest of our days, our weeks, or months, forever. We want to take our clients seriously, but not necessarily take any of it personally, so we’re not personally affected at a large degree.

To the point where it’s also affecting other aspects of our lives, but we’re still taking it seriously in that my goal here is to serve this person and support them in the best way possible. So I’m gonna take this seriously, but I can’t take it on personally. Take it seriously, not personally. Okay. I do have some other exercises here that might be helpful for you.

So this first one. We’re calling the chair exercise. So the goal is to just manage the emotions that can come with compassion fatigue in this case. And honestly, you could take this exercise and apply it in a lot of different ways, and also use it with your clients in some cases. So here’s the exercise.

It’s something that you could literally do right now as you’re listening. Or you could come back to this, write it down, jot it down in your notes, picture yourself sitting in a room, and there are four. Chairs in a circle facing each other. You are in one of those chairs, so you are looking out to three other chairs in front of you.

Your client is in one of those chairs. Your best friend is in another chair, and your mentor is in the final chair. Perhaps that person’s me. You can definitely put me in that final chair. So you have yourself, your client, your best friend, and your mentor. And or me in that chair if they knew how you were feeling from this compassion fatigue perspective.

So you’re feeling quote unquote, burnt out because of carrying emotions and trying to navigate these heavy experiences of your clients. If your client knew, if your best friend knew, if I knew exactly how you were feeling, and they are sitting across from you in these chairs. What would they be saying to you?

So what I would do is sort of visualize, this could also be a great like journaling activity. What would that client say to you in that moment? Like, wow, because you’re feeling this way, it makes me realize how much you care. And I would hate for you to carry around my emotions all day. And that really impact everything else for you.

That’s not my goal. My goal is just to be open and honest with you and share with you how I’m feeling. Maybe that’s what your client would say to you. What about your best friend? Your best friend might say, wow, that is a lot, and I understand why you’re struggling. But also remember that you’re struggling because.

You’re doing such passion driven work, and I’m jealous because I don’t get to do work like that. I would trade how you’re feeling for how I have to feel in my job. Maybe that’s something your best friend would say, and what would your mentor say? And if we’re gonna say that the mentor is me, then. I feel like I’ve said everything I needed to say in this podcast for the most part so far.

Um, but think about, so maybe someone else in your life that you, I was gonna say that you look up to, but this should really be someone that is a mentor to you, someone who has provided you with guidance. What would they say to you about how you’re feeling around these, these feelings of compassion fatigue?

So this is really good exercise. I really hope you guys do this. Don’t just li listen to this and not actually do it. Like please use it. And like I said, you could also take this exercise and use it in other ways too. Like if you have a client who’s struggling with something, maybe they’re struggling with their progress or negative body image and have them do the chair exercise, that can be really powerful.

Okay. Some additional things you can do just to support yourself, whether it’s compassion fatigue, or you’re just really feeling what it is to be. A supportive person who guides their clients to work through life, and you’re just noticing that that is sitting with you a little bit more than normal. Maybe not to the point of compassion fatigue, like burnout type of feelings, but things you can do.

I love a pre-client check-in ritual and that ritual being before you sit down to start your client check-ins, take a deep breath.

And ask yourself, why do I do this? Maybe even take it a step further and write down, I do this because blank. Fill in the blank and maybe even write three to five things. So remind yourself why you do the work that you do before you dive into client. Check-ins another one. Take breaks. Go. Outside. Take a second.

I can’t tell you the number of times even I’m not working with one-on-one health and fitness coaching clients anymore, but I still have check-ins with my business mentorship clients. I have a lot of work to do every day and there are many times where I’m just like, I’m feeling the, oh my God, I dunno if I can keep going and wouldn’t, you know it.

10 minute walk outside really can make a difference. And we also see that in the research, like I mentioned before, do a little bit of a reality check with yourself. That’s my next one that I have listed here. Where or who do these feelings actually stem from? I know we wanna say, well, it stems from the client, like the client is experiencing this stuff and they’re telling me that they’re frustrated, or they’re telling me that they’re going through this really difficult thing, so then I feel it because they’re feeling it.

But the reality is like, but, but why? But why are you feeling it so heavily and why are you carrying it through the day? Is it because those experiences that your clients are having are something that you’ve experienced before? So it’s kind of like bringing you back to that time. Is it because you are so fearful that you won’t be able to help this person?

So they’re sharing all of this with you, and then that turns into I need to fix it for them, and if I don’t, they’re going to leave. Where is it actually stemming from? Take some time to think about that. I’ve said this already, but gratitude and it’s cliche. I know, but what would you rather be doing? And maybe there is something you would rather be doing.

Hey, there’s a chance you listen to this podcast and went, you know what, Casey, I actually don’t think I wanna be coaching anymore. And that’s like, that’s okay too. It can be a scary thought, especially if it’s something you’ve been doing for a long time. But if you’re going through this podcast and you’re like, damn.

Yeah. And I’m really, really grateful for the work that I get to do. Then I think spending more time in that space and in those feelings, and really thinking to yourself, what is it that you would rather be doing, if not this? And if there isn’t anything than that can really help relieve a lot of that in the moment.

And last thing I will say, lean on other people and not just other people. People who get it, people who get you. Other coaches, other people who are in helping professions and not just to like, you know, misery loves company and commiserate with each other, but instead to have productive conversations around this stuff.

Like this is something we talk about a lot. Like I mentioned inside the Growth Collective, my business mentorship container because everyone in there is a coach and. I don’t, I’m like, have I worked with people who are not in the health and fitness space? And I don’t think the answer is yes, people who are in like similar spaces, like, um, like meal prep companies and stuff like that.

But I. Find a community, whether that’s the growth collective. If you’re interested, I will leave the link in the show notes. We only open up a few spots two times per year. You can work with me on your business. Um, and it is fantastic, but it doesn’t have to be the growth collective. Like this is also where finding a place for yourself, whether it’s Yeah.

Uh, like a business coaching group, a mastermind, that sort of thing. Um. I was gonna say like certain certifications probably have a solid community group. I’m like, oh, maybe Casey, the certification that you run, which is so true. The Health Mindset coaching certification is my bread and butter program for coaches, and there’s a lot of support happening constantly during those cohorts.

So we have two cohorts per year and people are constantly in our community group on the calls. They’re supporting each other. So you can bring up things like this in those groups, in those settings. And number one, it’s gonna feel good right away because you’re gonna notice a lot of other people are also feeling what you’re feeling.

And then number two, you guys can actually support each other to work through it rather than you just feeling kind of isolated. So lean on other people in the space and. Lean into them to the degree that it is productive. I don’t want you guys to just like band together and hate on your jobs and your clients and all of that.

That’s, that’s not the goal. Um, but yeah, I think, I think that brings us to the end and I believe that is, I believe that is all I have to say about compassion fatigue and burnout feelings, at least for now. So if you enjoy this podcast, I. Would so appreciate it. So appreciate it. If you would not mind leaving a five star review, if you didn’t know this, every single month, we choose people who have left reviews to get a free program from me.

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